Rapture vs 2nd Coming


Translation of all believers.
Translated saints go to heaven.
Earth not judged.
Imminent, any-moment, signless.
Not in the Old Testament.
Believers only.
Before the day of wrath.
No reference to Satan.
Christ comes for His own.
He comes in the air.
He claims His bride.
Only His own see.
Tribulation begins
Church believers only?  
Second Coming

No translation at all.
Translated saints return to earth.
Earth judged; righteousness established.
Follows definite predicted signs, including tribulation.
Predicted often in Old Testament.
Affects all men on the earth.
Concluding the day of wrath.
Satan is bound.
Christ comes with His own.
He comes to the earth.
He comes with His bride.
Every eye shall see Him.
Millennial Kingdom begins.
OT saved raised later?

9 thoughts on “Rapture vs 2nd Coming

  1. I have never seen the debunking of the Rature Theory done as it is presented here. Immediately when I read “Not in the old testament” Daniel came to mind!
    I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed. (Daniel 7:13,14).

    And then there is also IN THE OLD TESTAMENT in the book of Isaiah!
    For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

    EXCELLENT truth filled read, and I have to say thank you for sharing this as so many are buying into the rapture doctrine which is not biblical. What you have posted here cannot be denied! Blessings Always.

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  2. There are good arguments for both positions – pre tribulation rapture and post tribulation – but I’m leaning more towards the post tribulation stance. I worry that the pre-trib belief is a trick of Satan and he’s fooling a lot of people. Can you imagine if you think you won’t be here for the tribulation and you find out that the rapture didn’t happen. They are going to be so discouraged, disillusioned and unprepared. And that’s what I feel Satan is hoping for. Believers have always been persecuted. God never said he would keep us from persecution; he said he would be with us through it and we would be with him in heaven in the end. I guess we won’t know for sure about the rapture until it does or doesn’t happen.

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  3. At the end of the day, these scriptural interpretations aren’t important as they don’t affect our salvation! (Whether you believe in pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib or don’t believe in the rapture at all – No matter what anyone states, no one knows for certain, we all see through a glass darkly)

    I’ll leave you with something to ponder… as a couple of examples in the OT of His righteous escaping coming judgement, and maybe this is a parallel to this debate, Enoch and Lot.

    Thank you for everyone’s comments and blessings to you!

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  4. Delusion of the Rapture Theory

    There are several religious beliefs that are delusions. We have been led into a Babylonian captivity by the doctrines and traditions of men. (2 Th. 2:10-12; Is. 66:4) These two passages are the only places the word delusion(s) is used in the entire Bible. The Hebrew word for delusions is taaluwal – caprice or any fanciful idea(s). The Greek word for delusion is plane – fraud, deceit, fraudulence, or error. Why would God choose or send us delusions? The Greek word for send is: pempo – to dispatch (in the subjective sense). The Hebrew word for choose is: bachar – to try, by implica-tion to select, and is synonymous with: bachan – to test. Both passages pertain to the last days. The doctrines and traditions of men are the delusions (fanciful ideas, error, deceit, fraud) to which men have been subjected to throughout the centuries. Their delusions will be selectively tried and tested, and the Lord will bring their fears upon them because they received not the love of the truth.

    Most Christians believe that the Lord will first come to secretly rapture his church (fly away) and they will escape the Great Tribulation. Those left behind will have to face the Antichrist and suffer persecution unless they accept the mark of the beast. Moslems believe Christ will come back to fight the Antichrist, and Jews are waiting for the Messiah to come the first time. The pre-tribulation rapture doctrine has been made very popular by the fictional series, “Left Behind”. Millions of dollars have been made on the books and movie rights. It does make some good science fiction. But it is still fiction!

    The whole concept is based on The Antichrist rising and deceiving those left behind after the rapture. The term antichrist is used in 1 John 2:18 & 22, 4:3 and 2 John 7, and is found nowhere else. To deny that Christ came in the flesh, died, and resurrected is to be antichrist. John said there were many already in the world. To deny the divinity of Jesus Christ as the only begotten Son of God is also to be antichrist. Technically speaking, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and any person who denies Jesus Christ or his divinity are antichrist. Atheists are just anti-any-ole-god! Anti- means: to oppose, antagonize, contradict, or counteract. Antichrist is anyone or anything that is in opposition to, contradicts, or counteracts anything that Christ did or taught, which is antagonistic towards Christ.

    The truth about tribulation can be found in the following scriptures: Deut. 4:30-31; Judges 10:14; 1 Sam. 26:24; Matt. 13:21, 24:21-31; Mk. 13:24; Jn. 16:33; Acts 14:22; Rom. 2:8-13, 5:1-5, 8:35, 12:12; 2 Cor. 1:4, 7:4; 1 Th. 3:4-5; 2 Th. 1:4-8; Rev. 1:9, 2:9-11, 2:21-23, 7:14-17. Tribulation is something to expect and will come upon all human beings. It is something in which God’s people can find faith, patience, and even comfort and joy. During the last days, those who have the faith of Jesus and keep the commandments of God will have patience in it, even to the death. (Rev. 14:12, 12:11) It is not something that we are going to escape by being beamed up to heaven by an angel named Scotty on the Good Ship Lollypop. Revelation 7:14 states, they which came out of (through) great tribulation are made white. You cannot get hamburger unless you first run the meat through a grinder. (Zec. 13:9; Is. 48:10; Amos 9:9; Ps. 7:6, 66:10; Dan. 12:10; 1 Pet. 1:17; Rev. 3:17-22)

    The secret rapture theory did not appear in the churches until after 1830 AD. It was unknown to all the early church fathers. Justin, Irenaeus, and Terullian were convinced that the Christian Church would go through great tribulation at the hands of many antichrists before the Lord returned. The 18th century protestant reformers Huss, Knox, Wycliffe, Luther, Calvin, Cranmer, and Wesley never taught the Rapture Theory that many theologians do today. It covertly crept into the church and must have had a strategic purpose for its introduction. Most assuredly, Satan had his hand in it. He has it in everything else man has screwed up!

    During the period of the reformation, the first Protestants believed and taught that the Papacy was antichrist, and the Roman Church was the harlot system of Revelation 17. Certain Romish theologians had thought it necessary to take the pressure off the Pope, so a new interpretation of prophecy was invented. The Jesuit priest Ribera (1537-1591) was first to teach that the prophetic events of Daniel and Revelation would not be fulfilled until the last 3.5 years at the end of the age when a global dictator or The Antichrist arose. The Roman Church was and still is the fulfillment! Like a CIA cover story, the Roman Church had to establish a cover story to conceal the truth. What else have they covered up?

    Despite the efforts of Ribera and those of Cardinal Bellarmine later, it wasn’t until the early 19th century that this new futurist doctrine began to gain acceptance by Evangelical Christians. In 1830 Margaret McDonald, a young member of Edward Irving’s so-called Catholic Apostolic Church, prophesied that there would be a secret coming of the Lord to rapture those who awaited his return. [If this girl was a true Prophetess, then let’s all live off happy meals and wait for Captain Ronald McDonald of the Good Ship Lollypop.] (Eze. 13:17-23) Irving devoted his talent as an artful preacher to spreading the secret rapture theory until he died in 1834.

    It has long been pointed out that pre-tribulationism is a relatively new doctrine. The present-day apocalyptic action-packed version has been the best-selling doctrine in all of Christendom. Not all Christians buy into the theory, but those who do are in a state of delusion. They think they will escape tribulation. (Is. 60:8-9; Eze. 13; 1 Th. 5:1-3) This delusion I call, THE GREAT FALSE HOPE.



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